FEATURED The Kendrick vs Drake vs UMG vs Where's J. Cole? Thread

[Freeman]

Because this is an impossible conversation to have. Drake literally made his legacy in an era where everything regarding metrics was constantly changing, to include what those metrics mean.

Yall want to prop dude up like he met the standards of yesteryear, when in actuality he wouldn’t even have been signed during an era of pure/raw talent, also due to its talent size.

Just ain’t no way, because yall always wanna go “that metric don’t mean that no more”

That ain’t a conversation, that’s 18 post of niggas saying “that can’t count for Drake”


an entire fan base happy their artist took the easy route.

Weirdest shit I ever witnessed.

Again. Immediately downplaying and moving the goalposts because you dislike an artist.

Im not trying to change yall minds about how you feel about drake.

I simply said yes FANS are going to be the core group of people that consider an artist the goat. And if you dislike an artist or their music you most likely won't consider them the goat.

Why are you guys flipping out?

 

[AP4.0]

Because this is an impossible conversation to have. Drake literally made his legacy in an era where everything regarding metrics was constantly changing, to include what those metrics mean.

Yall want to prop dude up like he met the standards of yesteryear, when in actuality he wouldn’t even have been signed during an era of pure/raw talent, also due to its talent size.

Just ain’t no way, because yall always wanna go “that metric don’t mean that no more”

That ain’t a conversation, that’s 18 post of niggas saying “that can’t count for Drake”


an entire fan base happy their artist took the easy route.

Weirdest shit I ever witnessed.

I'ma push back slightly

Drake would've definitely gotten signed. I just don't think it would've been as a rapper or rather it wouldn't have been the rapper that we know today

Comeback season is one of my favorite mixtapes. I think his trajectory would've been that kind of rapper vs the 6 God Boogeyman

 

[Air Dog]

I'm not a NaS fan or a Tupac fan (I like Jay and BIG more) but I still consider them goats

 

[Freeman]

I'm not a NaS fan or a Tupac fan (I like Jay and BIG more) but I still consider them goats

Then you're not having the same conversation. We're not talking about who you consider to be in the running or amongst them we're talking about who you consider to be THE goat.

 

[Air Dog]

yea that fits your argument better, but I've rarely heard a discussion about who's the definitive best. the argument is pretty much always top 5

that creates enough division, and most people can't keep it to 5

 

[Eyerone]

Once niggas start adding an “s” to the word GOAT, shit gets tricky to me.


It’s singular. It’s absolute.

 

[BlackRain]

I'ma push back slightly

Drake would've definitely gotten signed. I just don't think it would've been as a rapper or rather it wouldn't have been the rapper that we know today

Comeback season is one of my favorite mixtapes. I think his trajectory would've been that kind of rapper vs the 6 God Boogeyman

Yeah Drake definitely would've gotten signed back in the day. Especially when you see some of the artist that used to get a push.

 

[BlackRain]

The funny thing about the whole top 5 thing is people who refuse to change it. Like some people feel married to it and think it's permanent. My favorite rapper has changed as I got older and I always look at it kinda funny if somebody has had the same favorite rappers as they did when they were like 15 and now theyre 40.

 

[Eyerone]

The funny thing about the whole top 5 thing is people who refuse to change it. Like some people feel married to it and think it's permanent. My favorite rapper has changed as I got older and I always look at it kinda funny if somebody has had the same favorite rappers as they did when they were like 15 and now theyre 40.

Why tho

 

[BlackRain]

Why tho

One Because after a while everyone having the same rappers in different order just seems performative and like a preplanned answer. Also as you get older I'd expect a person to have evolved some. And with that would come am evolution of what speaks to you as well. Not saying there's not still any enjoyment with things you 1st lacth onto...but if you have no evolution in the things you take in over several decades then that just reads as stagnant to me. Especially if there's been little to no current output

 

[Dwayne]

The funny thing about the whole top 5 thing is people who refuse to change it. Like some people feel married to it and think it's permanent. My favorite rapper has changed as I got older and I always look at it kinda funny if somebody has had the same favorite rappers as they did when they were like 15 and now theyre 40.

My top 2 was Wayne and JayZ 15 years

Now

It’s Drake and Nipsey


R&B/singing top 3 has changed too

 

[illed_Out]

Lmao this is insane. Nobody is attacking anyone and nobody claimed anyone is being attacked.

I literally said "I can't do anything about you not liking drake and don't really care to" and that goat talk in music isn't an objective conversation because we're all fans of people we consider to be the goat. That includes me saying drake is the goat. It just doesn't skew towards being a completely objective conversation.

How you flipped into all this extra shit is legitimately insane. Theres no reasoning with some of you.

@Freeman
Fam I just be fucking with you. The only time I ever see you get rattled is when we shitting on drakes…

 

[Freeman]

@Freeman
Fam I just be fucking with you. The only time I ever see you get rattled is when we shitting on drakes…

Are you okay?

How you run in the thread kicking and screaming, making shit up then... nvm. You good where you was at. Imma just leave you there.

My fault.

 

[illed_Out]

Are you okay?

How you run in the thread kicking and screaming, making shit up then... nvm. You good where you was at. Imma just leave you there.

My fault.

See how you get in your feelings about dude…

 

[BMDC]

Once niggas start adding an “s” to the word GOAT, shit gets tricky to me.


It’s singular. It’s absolute.

I hate that the term gets used so flippantly

 

[BMDC]

In the world of rap, the only metrics he has that are HoF worthy thing Drake numbers and outside of a few ties breakers or something, it doesn't mean that much for his overall case to be in the discussion.

That's even without the ghostwriting and other antics. The beef performancs, consistency, flows, hits are positives for sure but that's not a strong enough resume. That's like when niggas call Nicki the goat of women rappers because she has hits.

 

[Black_Samson]

I'ma push back slightly

Drake would've definitely gotten signed. I just don't think it would've been as a rapper or rather it wouldn't have been the rapper that we know today

Comeback season is one of my favorite mixtapes. I think his trajectory would've been that kind of rapper vs the 6 God Boogeyman

Yeah Drake definitely would've gotten signed back in the day. Especially when you see some of the artist that used to get a push.

What’s back in the day?

No way he would’ve landed a Hype Williams video.

No way he would’ve been signed in any part of the 90’s.

So what era are yall speaking on?

The era in which he was discovered?

He’s had a twenty year career.

 

[Black_Samson]

Again. Immediately downplaying and moving the goalposts because you dislike an artist.

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Im not trying to change yall minds about how you feel about drake.

I simply said yes FANS are going to be the core group of people that consider an artist the goat. And if you dislike an artist or their music you most likely won't consider them the goat.

Why are you guys flipping out?

You just proved my point lol. Those guys aren't YOUR goats. I bet you're a fan of the ones you do consider to be the goats in those fields tho.

How you feel about the qualifications of someone who says drake is the goat is irrelevant lol. Just goes to further my point that you will find a way to downplay the person or thing you dislike.

Cognitive dissonance a mf tho.

“I don’t hate this dude for no reason.

I hate him because he brings out the bitch in y’all.”

Because you’re still doing it dammit

 

[AP4.0]

What’s back in the day?

No way he would’ve landed a Hype Williams video.

No way he would’ve been signed in any part of the 90’s.

So what era are yall speaking on?

The era in which he was discovered?

He’s had a twenty year career.

Yeah the era he was discovered

He definitely had a pocket he could've dominated

Think when Fabolous was doing the lady themed records.

Wayne is on record telling him to stick to that kinda rap when they first started dealing with each other. Of course it expanded but if there was someone who could've gotten a hype Williams directed video, it would've been him

 

[BMDC]

Yeah the era he was discovered

He definitely had a pocket he could've dominated

Think when Fabolous was doing the lady themed records.

Wayne is on record telling him to stick to that kinda rap when they first started dealing with each other. Of course it expanded but if there was someone who could've gotten a hype Williams directed video, it would've been him

Yeah and his better than Fab in almost every category. Drake would've been okay in the late 90s depending on where he landed. Like Nelly, Mase, etc had success