"You Can't Date White Women and Be Pro Black", but I bet you'll smash Candace Owens though.

TheNightKing said:
Opinions don’t have authority. The only authority would be based on genetics. Anything outside of that is opinion and at most consensus opinion.
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Race isn't about genetics.

Race is about a system of inheritance that goes along lines of lineages that are maintained through culture.

Brazil and America don't have the same racial system.

In Brazil, RG3 kids ain't Black. In most places in the world, his kids aren't Black.

Authority isn't about proof. Authority is about power.

Only reason why Black Americans accept mixed people as Black as a mono-racial Black person is because of the one drop rule that disinherited the off-spring of slave masters from Whiteness.

White Americans decided who was Black and who wasn't, unilaterally.

Brazil had a more flexible racial system because they were interested in creating a culture that derived the best of African and European culture. They believed in Whitening the "Black race" to better it, and they did. That's why there are millions and upon millions of mixed race Brazilians that don't perceived themselves as Black.

And the same thing happened in America in the 90s and 2000s. White parents of mixed race kids wanted to inherit their kids into the legacy of Whiteness and mixed race was added to the census.

Now we have hundreds of thousands of mixed race people that no longer identify as Black officially.

Blackness isn't about genetics and phenotype. Blackness is about disinheritance from wealth, power and acceptance.

So any policy to correct that, we are gonna have to decide who is Black in the same way White people decided who can't be White.
 
Tayboo said:
You are who to tell someone about their heritage?? What gives you that authority? Also most people like to cherry pick when it's time to "gatekeep".
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Ummm...

Because I am part of the group they claim to be part of.

Italians didn't let non-Italians join the Mafia even if they were half-Italian. Non-Sicilians can't join the Sicilian Mafia.

Everybody who is part a group, decided who belongs to their group.

This is why I say Black Americans don't like power. Absolutely allergic to power. Absolutely allergic of any sense of ownership or self-determination.

I guess Rhonda Rousey's mother is Black because her grandfather is. She can just tell you.

When will Black folks understand the world isn't playing with them?

All the wealth being swallowed up and we sitting over here talking about we can't tell a person with a White parent and White grandparents they ain't Black when they do the fucking census they check two or more races.
When they do the damn equal opportunity report, they check two or more races.

But y'all like, "Nah, you can't tell them they ain't the same as us because you don't have the right..."

Y'all the same people that didn't understand most Latinos identify as White.

Y'all the same people that don't understand Latino ain't race.

Y'all the same people that don't understand Whiteness is a status and not a biological race and that anybody can join but you. And it ain't because of your color but because they designated you as a slave caste.
 
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Yes. I have every right to decline someone blackness. That's how you get these 15% niggas, Adonis niggas calling themselves black.

Most people only care about racism and blackness when it affects them so thats why I call for consistency and a standard

u are who to tell someone about their heritage?? What gives you that authority? Also most people like to cherry pick when it's time to "gatekeep".
 
BMDC said:
Yes. I have every right to decline someone blackness. That's how you get these 15% niggas, Adonis niggas calling themselves black.

Most people only care about racism and blackness when it affects them so thats why I call for consistency and a standard
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But there is not standard, which is why it's stupid for you to try and act like you or any other individual can define someone's identity.

If a person is only 25% black but identifies as black, was raised by his/her black family around black people, and looks black enough that he/she has experienced anti-black racism, why would anyone try to deny them a claim on blackness?

Then on the flipside, what about unquestionably black people like Candace Owens. She gets to embrace her blackness with no complaint from you even though everything she does works against the interests of black people. That's ok with you?
 
Tayboo said:
Right, because if we are going by that logic then men like Fredrick Douglass, WEB Du Bois, Booker T Washington, and Malcolm X shouldn't be celebrated during black history month because they all had a white or mixed parent...
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The Lonious Monk said:
But there is not standard, which is why it's stupid for you to try and act like you or any other individual can define someone's identity.

If a person is only 25% black but identifies as black, was raised by his/her black family around black people, and looks black enough that he/she has experienced anti-black racism, why would anyone try to deny them a claim on blackness?

Then on the flipside, what about unquestionably black people like Candace Owens. She gets to embrace her blackness with no complaint from you even though everything she does works against the interests of black people. That's ok with you?
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Umm...

Where do people that are like Adonis are Black in 2024?

Where do people do that?

And since when the experience of racism defines what you are?

People would deny their claim of Blackness on the fact that they are obviously not Black they are mixed lol.
 
ZMaKEa said:
Race isn't about genetics.

Race is about a system of inheritance that goes along lines of lineages that are maintained through culture.

Brazil and America don't have the same racial system.

In Brazil, RG3 kids ain't Black. In most places in the world, his kids aren't Black.

Authority isn't about proof. Authority is about power.

Only reason why Black Americans accept mixed people as Black as a mono-racial Black person is because of the one drop rule that disinherited the off-spring of slave masters from Whiteness.

White Americans decided who was Black and who wasn't, unilaterally.

Brazil had a more flexible racial system because they were interested in creating a culture that derived the best of African and European culture. They believed in Whitening the "Black race" to better it, and they did. That's why there are millions and upon millions of mixed race Brazilians that don't perceived themselves as Black.

And the same thing happened in America in the 90s and 2000s. White parents of mixed race kids wanted to inherit their kids into the legacy of Whiteness and mixed race was added to the census.

Now we have hundreds of thousands of mixed race people that no longer identify as Black officially.

Blackness isn't about genetics and phenotype. Blackness is about disinheritance from wealth, power and acceptance.

So any policy to correct that, we are gonna have to decide who is Black in the same way White people decided who can't be White.
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Again bad analogy with Brazilians. They weren’t brought over as slaves and stayed. They may have some sort of African ancestry, but not in the same way we do.

To your overarching point, yes, racial identity is defined by those in power if you’re talking about its use in institutions.

So why are we gatekeeping blackness and not talking about getting that power? Power doesn’t come through doing things the way those in power do. That’s just mimicry and there’s no power in mimicry.

And why would we want to do it like them?
 
If the people around you consider you black, who really gives a fuck about these internet smart dumb niggas saying otherwise.

I’ve always rolled with real niggas and was raised primarily by my black grandmother with black aunties, uncles, and cousins. Even when I was with my mom for a bit I was surrounded by black people. And when people see me they see a black man. So nobody on the internet going to tell me I’m not black because I’m mixed.

That’s why the mixed and white boy comments never phased me on here. Says more about them than me honestly.
 
TheNightKing said:
Again bad analogy with Brazilians. They weren’t brought over as slaves and stayed. They may have some sort of African ancestry, but not in the same way we do.

To your overarching point, yes, racial identity is defined by those in power if you’re talking about its use in institutions.

So why are we gatekeeping blackness and not talking about getting that power? Power doesn’t come through doing things the way those in power do. That’s just mimicry and there’s no power in mimicry.

And why would we want to do it like them?
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Actually Brazil had more slaves than America and is still very racist
 
What’s really funny is people that claim to be against white supremacy using white supremacist tactics. They still use white shit as a template for how they move, smh.

When we need strength in numbers they want to divide and make it easier for the enemy to conquer. That’s exactly what Trump (and social media propagandists) did to get more black men to vote against their own interests.
 
SeaSnake said:
Actually Brazil had more slaves than America and is still very racist
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So the darker skinned Brazilians were descendants of slaves brought over from Africa? Or were they just dark indigenous people that became enslaved?

I really don’t know, but looking at them I don’t see the same features we have.
 
TheNightKing said:
Again bad analogy with Brazilians. They weren’t brought over as slaves and stayed. They may have some sort of African ancestry, but not in the same way we do.

To your overarching point, yes, racial identity is defined by those in power if you’re talking about its use in institutions.

So why are we gatekeeping blackness and not talking about getting that power? Power doesn’t come through doing things the way those in power do. That’s just mimicry and there’s no power in mimicry.

And why would we want to do it like them?
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Afro-Brazilians were brought over as slaves by the Portuguese and stayed. White Brazilians bred them out by intentionally race mixing.

Even in early America, there were "free people of color" communities that were mixed people and lived as mixed people, not Black.

See, Blackness isn't a thing to keep alive. Blackness is a position in society of a thing that doesn't have any rights or self-determination or protection. It isn't something to preserve.

Black folks hold on to Blackness by convincing themselves Adonis is Black despite having blue eyes and blond hair. That's a sickness.

I want to get rid of Blackness. You can't get rid of it if you can't determine who is a descendant of a slave and Black according to law and policy, so you can target interventions for actual Black people.

You will have a situation like Brazil, that has strong racial quotas and protections for their Afro-descandent population but you got White people running around saying they are mixed with Black and it's a great great grand mother.

They let people self-identity willy nilly, not rooted in the legacy of slavery and apartheid but feelings of their identity.

Why do you think indigenous people around the world don't let that shit happen? They are getting money and law on the books for their people. They are protecting a legacy. They ain't giving their legacy to people who never contributed. You can't walk around claiming to be part of them and ask for rights and protections by governments around the world.

Black folks don't want to self-determine because y'all don't wanna otracize a couple hundred thousand mixed people or a few million immigrants because you have standards of who gets to inherit your legacy. When they play language and identity games all the time to take advantage of policies that were won by Black people that come from American slavery.

So, yeah, power requires determining who is part of your group and who ain't. Going off of feelings and all that shit isn't how you get what is owed.

I am not for gatekeeping Blackness. I am for eliminating it. I want people to be people. I don't want people to live with the stigma of being a bottom caste. And in order to do that, you need reparations and an intervention. It can't be based on race but on heritage and lineage.
 
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Tayboo said:
Oh so if this only matters if the parents are from America?? Cause Tyson Beckford was born in New York...
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Tyson Beckford is Jamaican and Panamian. A large percentage of Jamaican men have a Chinese parental ancestor.

And I mean, someone that comes from American slavery.

Only reason anyone should care about this is for reparations and policy interventions to undo the socio-economic harms of slavery in America.

Race largely don't matter anymore besides to Black and White people, who use the juxtaposition against each other to obtain a sense of identity.
 
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TheNightKing said:
Again bad analogy with Brazilians. They weren’t brought over as slaves and stayed. They may have some sort of African ancestry, but not in the same way we do.

To your overarching point, yes, racial identity is defined by those in power if you’re talking about its use in institutions.

So why are we gatekeeping blackness and not talking about getting that power? Power doesn’t come through doing things the way those in power do. That’s just mimicry and there’s no power in mimicry.

And why would we want to do it like them?
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Wait...did you just say Blacks in Brazil weren't brought over as slaves and stayed or did I misread what you're saying?
 
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