Poll What's More Important: Knowing Math or Knowing How To Read?

[Duwop]

I think someone that can't read won't even be in the position to have to make that decision because they wouldn't be highly recommended or even licensed. Keep in mind in order to even get certified to do these jobs you need to pass classes and exams which involve reading. Keep in mind I deal with this daily. So you can pontificate all you want but in reality there's severe limitations when you can't read that just "knowing shit" won't get you pass. You want an electrician who can't read so they can't decipher something as simple as what's written on your breakers? Have fun with that.

You're wrong though. They 100% are. Only exceptions if there's a written exam required for that particular state. But a lotta these guys work with unions and have other legal protection because they are a protected group. If they can prove they're capable of the work, and have the right people around them that ensure they take the proper precautions... Is not only possible but highly common.

There's a lotta illiterate people in these kinds positions, but I guess people don't realize it know it because of how well they take care of their professional integrity.

 

[AP4.0]

We have to normalize not pushing play on certain podcasts

 

[kamikaze2511]

This is a dumb conversation. You need to know both to be successful.

 

[TheNightKing]

Voted before I saw the context. But knowing math is much more valuable than reading, assuming you can read in the first place.

Just look at the high paying careers. Most of them have a math component.

 

[BlackRain]

You're wrong though. They 100% are. Only exceptions if there's a written exam required for that particular state. But a lotta these guys work with unions and have other legal protection because they are a protected group. If they can prove they're capable of the work, and have the right people around them that ensure they take the proper precautions... Is not only possible but highly common.

There's a lotta illiterate people in these kinds positions, but I guess people don't realize it know it because of how well they take care of their professional integrity.

So you're saying in those classes and their CE classes not 1 book is involved? At no point are they required to be able to read without a buddy doing it out loud for them? All that shit is 100% oral and an oral exam at the end? No part of a tirade requires reading on your own? You not stupid Du

 

[BlackRain]

Du this entire thread

 

[AP4.0]

Du didn't know the signs said no coloreds were allowed

He just saw a group of black folks hanging together and thought they was just hanging out

 

[Knock_Twice]

I agree with Du on this one...Reading helps but its not the end of the world if you struggle with it.

There are adults who cant read pass the 3rd grade level, but can tell you how to do x y and z.

Du takes, this aint a bad one. Du aint wrong, the opposing side isn't wrong either.

Comprehending I would say trumps everything.

R.Kelly dont know how to read but he made TP2.

Shaq was a bit of a jock and he got into LSU.

Ray Charles got his masters...that didnt involve Reading.

You should learn to read but with the proper understanding and Comprehending of things, you can make it.

George Bush was a D student and he ran the United States.

Good back and forth though but Du points are pretty valid...Ap lost in the sauce as usual but BR rebuttal aint bad...

 

[Old Man Cain]

Niggas having think pieces on which is better being able to read or add and subtract is pissing me off.

With that said if you have the ability to read and comprehend what you're read you will automatically have the ability to do math because you know........ books and shit

 

[Golan]

You literally can’t navigate the world without knowing how to read. Math is integral ofc, but when I think about the times I use math on a daily basis, it’s to either avoid having to do something repetitious or to better understand a large amount of data.

Both of those are less crucial than knowing how to navigate a transit system or reading a label on a bottle of medication for example.

 

[Duwop]

So you're saying in those classes and their CE classes not 1 book is involved? At no point are they required to be able to read without a buddy doing it out loud for them? All that shit is 100% oral and an oral exam at the end? No part of a tirade requires reading on your own? You not stupid Du

Bruh, I dont think you really have a strong grasp over certain industries, and I'm giving you the benefit of doubt because I don't know if you're just entertaining the argument or being genuine.

Here's the thing, a large portion of the manual labor field is full of people who did not attend or finish traditional school or education.... Many of those people are functionally illiterate. However, all they know is their trade, and very well
..and after the decades of industry experience working with and alongside people who are high up and very heavily involved in that industry... They are ushered into the steps of being legitimate... Even despite their inability to read. They know the right people and the right channels to make sure that their life long trade is something they can make a living off of.

I mentioned the Mason's..... Far too many people know who they are, and what they are about to deny the affiliated working opportunities.... But in that community I promise you will find a lotta wealthy older black men who have been Mason's for decades...made tons of money and cannot read.

These people have traditionally looked out for each other. And they are not the exception... They are just the most well known.... But there are many labors who have spent a lifetime in their fields, make good money... But cannot read. That's my main point, and unless you have had direct exposure to this community I can understand how you may not know that ... But I've had them in my family, my wife's facing family is mitered with them, and I've seen countless older black men who have made very well livings for themselves and their family by being connected to the right people despite not finishing school , or being what we call literate.

Now by no means am I suggesting that this is the direction we should be pushing our youth in... But I understand where Juelz was going with in his argument.

Being math or business minded will serve you well even if you can't read. You just have to be surrounded by the right people and be skillful enough to work around your handicap.

But ideally a child 100% should learn to read before getting out in the business world.

It's a discussion. And that's is a valid stance.

 

[Duwop]

Du didn't know the signs said no coloreds were allowed

He just saw a group of black folks hanging together and thought they was just hanging out

C'mon ap....

 

[AP4.0]

C'mon ap....

It was right there brother

 

[Duwop]

I agree with Du on this one...Reading helps but its not the end of the world if you struggle with it.

There are adults who cant read pass the 3rd grade level, but can tell you how to do x y and z.

Du takes, this aint a bad one. Du aint wrong, the opposing side isn't wrong either.

Comprehending I would say trumps everything.

R.Kelly dont know how to read but he made TP2.

Shaq was a bit of a jock and he got into LSU.

Ray Charles got his masters...that didnt involve Reading.

You should learn to read but with the proper understanding and Comprehending of things, you can make it.

George Bush was a D student and he ran the United States.

Good back and forth though but Du points are pretty valid...Ap lost in the sauce as usual but BR rebuttal aint bad...

Exactly.. I'm not tryna advocate not reading, I'm just pointing out that there are far too many people who have led successful lives while being illiterate to consider them an exception. But you 100% have to actively work harder and smarter make up the difference....

 

[Duwop]

Like say you're opening up a dog kennel and your people's refer you to a 40 year veteran dog breeder with decades of industry knowledge...

You don't dismiss that kinda wealth of knowledge if you discover they can't read. They still know about dogs...

And again that's just one example..... There are countless fields of experience where someone who is a vault of knowledge that may not have finished school. They may read at a 1st grade level.... But they know their trade better than many experts.

And have supported their family for generations. If you are in that field you don't dismiss that person because if their literacy level

Now if your job is data entry or something that requires reading daily... Yeah I get it. But if it's a trade that's perfected by experience.... This is where the original argument is valid.

 

[BlackRain]

Bruh, I dont think you really have a strong grasp over certain industries, and I'm giving you the benefit of doubt because I don't know if you're just entertaining the argument or being genuine.

Here's the thing, a large portion of the manual labor field is full of people who did not attend or finish traditional school or education.... Many of those people are functionally illiterate. However, all they know is their trade, and very well
..and after the decades of industry experience working with and alongside people who are high up and very heavily involved in that industry... They are ushered into the steps of being legitimate... Even despite their inability to read. They know the right people and the right channels to make sure that their life long trade is something they can make a living off of.

I mentioned the Mason's..... Far too many people know who they are, and what they are about to deny the affiliated working opportunities.... But in that community I promise you will find a lotta wealthy older black men who have been Mason's for decades...made tons of money and cannot read.

These people have traditionally looked out for each other. And they are not the exception... They are just the most well known.... But there are many labors who have spent a lifetime in their fields, make good money... But cannot read. That's my main point, and unless you have had direct exposure to this community I can understand how you may not know that ... But I've had them in my family, my wife's facing family is mitered with them, and I've seen countless older black men who have made very well livings for themselves and their family by being connected to the right people despite not finishing school , or being what we call literate.

Now by no means am I suggesting that this is the direction we should be pushing our youth in... But I understand where Juelz was going with in his argument.

Being math or business minded will serve you well even if you can't read. You just have to be surrounded by the right people and be skillful enough to work around your handicap.

But ideally a child 100% should learn to read before getting out in the business world.

It's a discussion. And that's is a valid stance.

You're using functionally illiterate and can't read interchangeably. While neither is good a functionally literate person can operate without much assistance to a certain degree. When a person can't read then no they not about to finesse their way through life. Also, ain't nobody going to always have a buddy or friend on standby to read for them. You're assuming alot of allowances and grace being made and given to people that just dont exist in the way you want it to. Ain't no wealthy people who can't read because a part of gaining wealth is knowing how to read things being offered to you so you can gain more wealth. The level of success you can reach is severely stunted with a lack of ability to comprehend the words in front of you. And the level of trust people put into you is also diminished as well once that is exposed.

You mention the Masons. My FIL is one. You know what part of that process entails...alot of information you gotta read to pick up. You can't just skip over that and front your way past a certain point. You can know a trade all you want but if it's something that requires you to be licensed to perform and you can't read well enough to pass the classes you need to obtain such license then ain't too many people putting their business and business insurance at risk to hire somebody that can tank the whole thing.

 

[Knock_Twice]

I'm just adding on the pile but illegals who come over cant read but they make a living to take care of their family

 

[Duwop]

You're using functionally illiterate and can't read interchangeably. While neither is good a functionally literate person can operate without much assistance to a certain degree. When a person can't read then no they not about to finesse their way through life. Also, ain't nobody going to always have a buddy or friend on standby to read for them. You're assuming alot of allowances and grace being made and given to people that just dont exist in the way you want it to. Ain't no wealthy people who can't read because a part of gaining wealth is knowing how to read things being offered to you so you can gain more wealth. The level of success you can reach is severely stunted with a lack of ability to comprehend the words in front of you. And the level of trust people put into you is also diminished as well once that is exposed.

You mention the Masons. My FIL is one. You know what part of that process entails...alot of information you gotta read to pick up. You can't just skip over that and front your way past a certain point. You can know a trade all you want but if it's something that requires you to be licensed to perform and you can't read well enough to pass the classes you need to obtain such license then ain't too many people putting their business and business insurance at risk to hire somebody that can tank the whole thing.

I hate to leave it here, but I think you're really just ignorant to the population of men that can actually read in our previous generation.

You just haven't seen it. But a lotta them Niggaz can't read bruh.. It's a reason why this is an argument. I'm sure as shit you've encountered plenty of illiterate people, and just didn't think or pick up on it.

 

[Knock_Twice]

To pile on to the topic, a person is not reading all day.
An email, a text message, the menu, and tweets.

All of these sectors are 2 to 3 sentences long.

Less than 2% of a person week is reading...unless you are an avid reader.

Day to day thing.

 

[BlackRain]

I hate to leave it here, but I think you're really just ignorant to the population of men that can actually read in our previous generation.

You just haven't seen it. But a lotta them Niggaz can't read bruh.. It's a reason why this is an argument. I'm sure as shit you've encountered plenty of illiterate people, and just didn't think or pick up on it.

Im not at all. Ive said before on here i don't think the majority of people can read and comprehend and it shows daily. I just think you're grossly underestimating how much more difficult it made people's daily lives. And you're also trying to apply a previous generation vs this one where it would be much more apparent. The majority of people in general don't reach this super high level of success so to assume that that somebody who can't read or is functionally illiterate would be able to just get on by is not realistic today. Hence why I was mentioning things you cannot get by without knowing how to read in order to accomplish now vs in the past.