Poll What's More Important: Knowing Math or Knowing How To Read?

[Duwop]

Guess what you're lacking if you can't read? A knowledge of words and how to use them in multiple proper context.

Again, not true.

Reading is not the only form of communication. If you can hold a conversation and explain context to a person, they can gain grasp the knowledge of words and their meaning and how to properly apply them without being able to read or spell them.

It's been done way too many times to suggest that it's an exception.. Yes it's difficult, and reading is helpful in that regard. But very very far from impossible.. Black people in this country especially over the past couple hundred years have been doing this for generations. I am very confident you have had great conversations with illiterate people.

Successful illiterate people. Many of our grandparents have lead meaningful lives, completely illiterate.

 

[BlackRain]

Again, not true.

Reading is not the only form of communication. If you can hold a conversation and explain context to a person, they can gain grasp the knowledge of words and their meaning and how to properly apply them without being able to read or spell them.

It's been done way too many times to suggest that it's an exception.. Yes it's difficult, and reading is helpful in that regard. But very very far from impossible.. Black people in this country especially over the past couple hundred years have been doing this for generations. I am very confident you have had great conversations with illiterate people.

Successful illiterate people. Many of our grandparents have lead meaningful lives, completely illiterate.

You're underestimating the importance of the ability to read, write and comprehend. It's very easy to tell when you're talking to somebody with a limited ability to do any of those things. Especially if your job is to write.

 

[AP4.0]

 

[BlackRain]

I will say it's great to see a Baltimore nigga fight against the importance of reading.

 

[Duwop]

You're underestimating the importance of the ability to read, write and comprehend. It's very easy to tell when you're talking to somebody with a limited ability to do any of those things. Especially if your job is to write.

Again, I have had enough conversations with illiterate people to know that they can still communicate and comprehend at a high level.

Yes if your job is very word specific, there will barriers, but barriers no different than talking to a person with a limited vocabulary.

 

[Duwop]

I will say it's great to see a Baltimore nigga fight against the importance of reading.

 

[#1hiphopjunki3]

I’m beginning to really hate the idea of Podcast.

 

[BlackRain]

Again, I have had enough conversations with illiterate people to know that they can still communicate and comprehend at a high level.

Yes if your job is very word specific, there will barriers, but barriers no different than talking to a person with a limited vocabulary.

If a nigga got a job that literally involves reading and writing words than a lack of ability to do so will make it impossible. I work in property management. I deal with long ass lease agreements, vendor contracts and spreadsheets. If I couldn't read it's impossible to do that job

 

[Duwop]

If a nigga got a job that literally involves reading and writing words than a lack of ability to do so will make it impossible. I work in property management. I deal with long ass lease agreements, vendor contracts and spreadsheets. If I couldn't read it's impossible to do that job

That's extremely fair.

And if you have to hire a contractor to physically maintain that property, you are going to go after the best quality for the most reasonable dollar amount.
Correct?

And if that person happens to be an illiterate person who can get the job done better than a person than can read, with a much better price, that's who you are going to hire. And make no mistake, that illiterate person is still a protected party that can demand a fair wage. And with the right legal team and experience they will have a lawyer that will review any and all contracts to make sure that they are not being shorted or taken advantage of because of their disability.

This is how the world works. If the job doesn't require reading, and they can get the job done... They will find work with based on their experience level.

No one is asking an illiterate person to get behind a computer and make spreadsheets all day.. But one can go outside and have your lawn looking like Edward scissorhands did it if that's their trade.

 

[BlackRain]

That's extremely fair.

And if you have to hire a contractor to physically maintain that property, you are going to go after the best quality for the most reasonable dollar amount.
Correct?

And if that person happens to be an illiterate person who can get the job done better than a person than can read, with a much better price, that's who you are going to hire. And make no mistake, that illiterate person is still a protected party that can demand a fair wage. And with the right legal team and experience they will have a lawyer that will review any and all contracts to make sure that they are not being shorted or taken advantage of because of their disability.

This is how the world works. If the job doesn't require reading, and they can get the job done... They will find work with based on their experience level.

No one is asking an illiterate person to get behind a computer and make spreadsheets all day.. But one can go outside and have your lawn looking like Edward scissorhands did it if that's their trade.

I wouldnt hire an illiterate contractor because I wouldn't trust their ability to be able to write down and create a proper proposal for the work which isn't done with a legal team, which most small businesses don't have anyway.

 

[Duwop]

I wouldnt hire an illiterate contractor because I wouldn't trust their ability to be able to write down and create a proper proposal for the work which isn't done with a legal team, which most small businesses don't have anyway.

That's your choice, but they still get work.

Back when she was working HR my wife once gotta couple hundred dollars to draft a contract for one her father's illiterate friends for his business. He printed a bunch and paid her for it. To the best of my knowledge he still uses them.

 

[Duwop]

But you likely wouldn't even know, cuz they hide it very well.

 

[RandomOne]

Who would you rather have on your pick up team.

Player A. Has been reading about the sport of basketball as long as they've known how to read. Understands every rule, regulation. Read techniques. Reed situational strategy. Has watched footage and breakdowns. Has a working knowledge of the history of the game. Can give you names, dates, anything you can read about basketball, they can tell you. trajectories all that. They just never played one day in their life.

Player B. Completely illiterate. Can't read for shit. But they been playing basketball since they've been walking. And they can they know free throws are 1 point. They know where to shoot from to get 2 points, and to get 3 points. Even though they couldn't read the word two or three to save their life. But they know hooping from years of experience.

Yes these are two unrealistic extremes. But it's very clear who anyone would pick.

Your example is a tad bias

First is pro-reading

Second is just anti-reading unless you're considering pro-math to adding 1, 2, and 3

 

[BlackRain]

That's your choice, but they still get work.

Back when she was working HR my wife once gotta couple hundred dollars to draft a contract for one her father's illiterate friends for his business. He printed a bunch and paid her for it. To the best of my knowledge he still uses them.

Lol unless every job is the exact same that won't work. Contracts and proposals are drafted for specific jobs. There's no general document to be used. And if they weren't illiterate they'd know that

 

[Duwop]

Your example is a tad bias

First is pro-reading

Second is just anti-reading unless you're considering pro-math to adding 1, 2, and 3

By design. I was proving a point

 

[SheerExcellence]

reading is overrated

 

[Old Man Cain]

We have to normalize not pushing play on certain podcasts

 

[Duwop]

Lol unless every job is the exact same that won't work. Contracts and proposals are drafted for specific jobs. There's no general document to be used. And if they weren't illiterate they'd know that

Bruh, c'mon son. You acting like people working by themselves like some hobos

You can still have strong team with other people helping you with the office shit. Yes we're talking lilleriate , but that doesn't mean complete absence of a business acumen. You see something you don't like, or wanna add something some more specific.... What's stopping them from saying,

"cool let me let my people go over it and I'll get back to you"

If you need an on the spot answer, you have every right to move on. But to pretend everybody expects their manual labor workers to read on the spot is crazy.

If they insured and the contract holds up in court you can 100% sue them if they fuck up or missed something. But those folks normally aren't in that position unless they already established and tight on their shit. Reputation means everything for contractors.. So you think someone coming in highly recommend gonna be a complete fuck up cuz the boss doesn't read?

 

[Duwop]

reading is overrated

I wouldn't go that far, but you don't need it if you're capable in your area of expertise.

 

[BlackRain]

Bruh, c'mon son. You acting like people working by themselves like some hobos

You can still have strong team with other people helping you with the office shit. Yes we're talking lilleriate , but that doesn't mean complete absence of a business acumen. You see something you don't like, or wanna add something some more specific.... What's stopping them from saying,

"cool let me let my people go over it and I'll get back to you"

If you need an on the spot answer, you have every right to move on. But to pretend everybody expects their manual labor workers to read on the spot is crazy.

If they insured and the contract holds up in court you can 100% sue them if they fuck up or missed something. But those folks normally aren't in that position unless they already established and tight on their shit. Reputation means everything for contractors.. So you think someone coming in highly recommend gonna be a complete fuck up cuz the boss doesn't read?

I think someone that can't read won't even be in the position to have to make that decision because they wouldn't be highly recommended or even licensed. Keep in mind in order to even get certified to do these jobs you need to pass classes and exams which involve reading. Keep in mind I deal with this daily. So you can pontificate all you want but in reality there's severe limitations when you can't read that just "knowing shit" won't get you pass. You want an electrician who can't read so they can't decipher something as simple as what's written on your breakers? Have fun with that.