Breaking News US and Israel War Against Iran

If there is some mechanism to actually enforce Iran's pledge to never pursue a nuclear weapon then thats a win. Its a huge IF, but if so then that's something not even Obama's (far, far superior) version had.
 
Old Man Cain said:
The big picture portion of this goes like this.....at the end of the day the economy is more important than anything Israel and America got going on. That Straight of Hormuz closure let the world know that fuck with the money and the party is over.

If the US or Israel are stupid enough to try and nuke Iran then WE all die. If Iran builds a nuke and let it off WE all die. Safe to say this war was one of the dumbest fucking things the America has done in years.

All the military minds and leaders who was fired by a drunk jackass told us this would happen. The drunk jackass fell for the trap and he let the world know that we only do what Israel tell us to do regardless if WE over here lose everything.

This is the most corrupt idiotic administration probably in US history BUT ironically if you believe in karma and or religious this failure needed to happen. The US needed this L to wake the people up to who's running the show.
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I think it's a little more than that.

Ofcourse the economy is the most important thing but the military intelligence assessment of Iran either really failed or Trump and Hegseth didn't listen to it.

They thought they could beat Iran in 2-3 weeks and cause regime change. They either over estimated the power of the US bombs or underestimated Irans capabilities.

It turned around Irans governing body could survive all their leaders dying because the function of their govt bodies were stronger than any individual. It didn't matter who the leader was in charge of whatever function, the function would go on the same.

Iran also turned out to be militarily stronger than they expected. US was under threat of running out of missiles sooner than Iran was.

And they were strong enough that no amount of bombing was gonna stop their hold on the straight of hormuz.

So all this was either because military intelligence failed or because Hegseth and them were too egotistical and thought American might could defeat anything in a matter of weeks at the most.

Now that all that is proven wrong, Iran wins the war and gets everything they asked for and America literally gets nothing that they didn't already have. Craziness
 
AZTG said:
Holy shit at this deal. No one but Trump could survive a fuck up this big. I've never seen a bigger geopolitical fuck up in my life time.

Iran gets all sanctions lifted.
They get back all their frozen assets.
They can start selling their oil right away.
Get access to a 300B fund to rebuild.
US must remove its forces from the area.
And they get to keep the status quo on their nuclear program. Meaning they keep all their capabilities just can't add more.

US gets an open straight
They get a promise of no nuclear weapons.

Holy fucking shit.
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You don't know what you're talking about.

To mention just one thing, most benefits for Iran are conditional on a final agreement, which there's no guarantee they will ever get to.
 
PhenomTheMac said:
If there is some mechanism to actually enforce Iran's pledge to never pursue a nuclear weapon then thats a win. Its a huge IF, but if so then that's something not even Obama's (far, far superior) version had.
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You could not be more wrong.

First off, Iran was never going to develop nuclear weapons. It literally stopped all weaponization research in 2003.

Second, it has pledge repeatedly never to develop nukes, and this pledge was in Obama's deal (the JCPOA).

Third, the JCPOA involved a very strict and invasive inspections regime to make sure that it wasn't developing nukes.

Stop watching CNN bruh.
 
Gray Matter said:
You don't know what you're talking about.

To mention just one thing, most benefits for Iran are conditional on a final agreement, which there's no guarantee they will ever get to.
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My guy. Wtf is wrong with you?

MOU got released and we talking about it.

No one said they will for sure agree.

MOU is out there man. Do you have any opinions on it or you don't?

Plus the shit says Iran will get access to their frozen funds as soon as its signed on Friday. Plus Iran gets to sell its oil as soon as its signed on Friday. Those have nothing to do with a final agreement.

Plus Iran gets to administer the straight of hormuz right away on Friday too. Legally.
For the most part only the 300 billion is conditional.

The sanctions go away soon as MOU is signed on Friday

The United States of America undertakes that immediately upon the signing of this MOU and until the termination of sanctions, US Department of Treasury will issue waivers for the export of Iranian crude oil, petroleum products, and derivatives, and all associated services, including banking transactions, insurances, transportation, etc
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Iran gets access to its funds right away on Friday with the signing of MOU
The United States of America undertakes to make fully available for use the frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran upon the implementation of this MOU.
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Go read the MOU before jumping out the window.

How you gonna disagree with whats in the actual text?
 
AZTG said:
My guy. Wtf is wrong with you?

MOU got released and we talking about it.

No one said they will for sure agree.

MOU is out there man. Do you have any opinions on it or you don't?

Plus the shit says Iran will get access to their frozen funds as soon as its signed on Friday. Plus Iran gets to sell its oil as soon as its signed on Friday. Those have nothing to do with a final agreement.

Plus Iran gets to administer the straight of hormuz right away on Friday too. Legally.
For the most part only the 300 billion is conditional.

The sanctions go away soon as MOU is signed on Friday



Iran gets access to its funds right away on Friday with the signing of MOU


Go read the MOU before jumping out the window.

How you gonna disagree with whats in the actual text?
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Listen, bruh, you just proved what I said.

Full permanent sanctions relief (the biggest prize of all) and the 300 Billion are conditional on the final agreement.

So I stand by what I said.
 
Gray Matter said:
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You could not be more wrong.

First off, Iran was never going to develop nuclear weapons. It literally stopped all weaponization research in 2003.

Second, it has pledge repeatedly never to develop nukes, and this pledge was in Obama's deal (the JCPOA).

Third, the JCPOA involved a very strict and invasive inspections regime to make sure that it wasn't developing nukes.

Stop watching CNN bruh.
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You been walking around real condescending for someone who has been posting so much dumb shit.

And since the Obama deal had sunset clauses in them, yes a pledge to *never* pursue a nuclear weapon does in fact go further than the JCPOA.
 
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