OPINION The Wire - A Hindsight Discussion

Huh? Bro Avon understood String was a dead man regardless

The issue was was Avon going to go down w him
Let's separate the many, many fuck ups Stringer committed that led to Brother standing in that barbershop.

In Season 1? Avon wouldnt have given up String like that. He would have found a new connect rather than give up his boy, and if it came to it he would have soldiered up for him too. Its not like Avon was one to shy away from a fight.

But after all the snake shit String had done to lead to that point? Well, it went the way it went. My point is, the shit with D was the straw that broke the camels back.
 
Let's separate the many, many fuck ups Stringer committed that led to Brother standing in that barbershop.

In Season 1? Avon wouldnt have given up String like that. He would have found a new connect rather than give up his boy, and if it came to it he would have soldiered up for him too. Its not like Avon was one to shy away from a fight.

But after all the snake shit String had done to lead to that point? Well, it went the way it went. My point is, the shit with D was the straw that broke the camels back.
Bro what connect u talking bout?

Brother Mouzone had Avon between a rock and a hard place violence wasn’t an option

Giving up String had nothing to do w D Angelo
 
lol fam what do u think Brother Mouzone is saying here
What do YOU think he is saying?

Avon is fully prepared to pay whatever monetary cost it takes to save Stringer. He multiple times, asks for a way to fix it. But Brother is having none of it.

And then Brother lays out the whole game, either Stringer has to go or Avon is done in "New York". And that's when Avon, resigned to the situation decides to give up String to keep his contact.
 
What do YOU think he is saying?

Avon is fully prepared to pay whatever monetary cost it takes to save Stringer. He multiple times, asks for a way to fix it. But Brother is having none of it.

And then Brother lays out the whole game, either Stringer has to go or Avon is done in "New York". And that's when Avon, resigned to the situation decides to give up String to keep his contact.
What do you think it meant by done in NY?
 
Losing his connections to New York which provided amongst other things, cocaine, guns, and muscle (ie Mouzone himself) all of which Avon could ill afford to lose, especially during a war with Marlo.
Them shits was already gone
Besides a hired Hitman like Mouzone Avon had no business in NYC

By the time Mouzone walks into that barbershop
 
Them shits was already gone
Besides a hired Hitman like Mouzone Avon had no business in NYC

By the time Mouzone walks into that barbershop
Okay, so what exactly do you think Mouzone is bargaining with that caused Avon to give up String? Because he doesnt give him until after New York is threatened. That's the deciding factor.

And for the record he only ever lost his heroin connect in New York, his coke connect was unaffected. But yeah, if he wasnt getting something of value then Brother's threat would have no teeth, when it obviously did when it proved to be the deciding factor in Stringer's living and dying.
 
Okay, so what exactly do you think Mouzone is bargaining with that caused Avon to give up String? Because he doesnt give him until after New York is threatened. That's the deciding factor.

And for the record he only ever lost his heroin connect in New York, his coke connect was unaffected. But yeah, if he wasnt getting something of value then Brother's threat would have no teeth, when it obviously did when it proved to be the deciding factor in Stringer's living and dying.
His best friend had just betrayed his family, not just Avon. Notice throughout the whole show Avon is always connected to family. His only mistakes are mistakes linked to family, because no one else can get that close. Avon is already a multimillionaire before the cops know he exist because he's in the shadows. They know Stringer Bell exist though, because his goofy ass is hanging out in the court room for a bloodhound like McNulty to sniff out

Avon's rise and power is connected to his family. Remember when they visited his brain dead uncle; "...and how you ain't gonna never be slow, never be late?" Brianna Barksdale is apart of it too, because its a family business. We even see Avon's girlfriend and one of the places he lives with her. We see D'Angelo's girl and baby, and he even reference their grandfather being in the game. They are a criminal family.

I say all that because its an important distinction between Avon and Stringer. We never hear about Stringer's family, see him with anyone he loves, or know much of his history. Stringer is a man without a country, whose only real loyalty is to himself.

Avon and Stringer parting ways was only a matter of time, because despite their success as a team, they were very different, but that difference also made them a dynamic duo; the gangster and the con-man. In the end, they both had been beaten by better gangsters and better con-men.
 
His best friend had just betrayed his family, not just Avon. Notice throughout the whole show Avon is always connected to family. His only mistakes are mistakes linked to family, because no one else can get that close. Avon is already a multimillionaire before the cops know he exist because he's in the shadows. They know Stringer Bell exist though, because his goofy ass is hanging out in the court room for a bloodhound like McNulty to sniff out

Avon's rise and power is connected to his family. Remember when they visited his brain dead uncle; "...and how you ain't gonna never be slow, never be late?" Brianna Barksdale is apart of it too, because its a family business. We even see Avon's girlfriend and one of the places he lives with her. We see D'Angelo's girl and baby, and he even reference their grandfather being in the game. They are a criminal family.

I say all that because its an important distinction between Avon and Stringer. We never hear about Stringer's family, see him with anyone he loves, or know much of his history. Stringer is a man without a country, whose only real loyalty is to himself.

Avon and Stringer parting ways was only a matter of time, because despite their success as a team, they were very different, but that difference also made them a dynamic duo; the gangster and the con-man. In the end, they both had been beaten by better gangsters and better con-men.
Great write up. I was with you all the way til the end. But nah lol. Avon didnt get beat by Marlo, he had that boy dead to rights.

Stringer would have been able to transition out the game if Avon was still running things. Avon let Cutty out in the same situation. But, once Avon got hemmed up, there was no going back. Once Stringer got to play number 1 he was never able to slide comfortably back into the number 2 role that he was meant for. Too many away games.

But Avon? Nah, the king stays the king and that played out even when he had to be inside, had Stringer not been such a mark, Marlo never even happens.
 
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this was a good read. I was looking for the show, but it wasn't available on any of the streamers but saw the book for sale.

you definitely see a lot of the overall themes and sayongs from the wire.

don't remember if it was discussed when it came up, but the book was real life. the writers spent years in these characters lives, which was pretty dope
 
Okay, so what exactly do you think Mouzone is bargaining with that caused Avon to give up String? Because he doesnt give him until after New York is threatened. That's the deciding factor.

And for the record he only ever lost his heroin connect in New York, his coke connect was unaffected. But yeah, if he wasnt getting something of value then Brother's threat would have no teeth, when it obviously did when it proved to be the deciding factor in Stringer's living and dying.

What coke connection?

The only person on the show, in the entire 5 seasons, the even mentions getting coke from NY, is Prop Joe.....



....The Barksdale Crew just sold heroin.


Like I said before in this thread, if Avon had all these other drug connections, besides the Dominicans, in NYC. ^that scene and storyline would've been absolutely pointless.
 
What coke connection?

The only person on the show, in the entire 5 seasons, the even mentions getting coke from NY, is Prop Joe.....



....The Barksdale Crew just sold heroin.


Like I said before in this thread, if Avon had all these other drug connections, besides the Dominicans, in NYC. ^that scene and storyline would've been absolutely pointless.

Of course they sold coke. Im genuinely curious what you think Mouzone was threatening Avon with. What else would have been a strong enough threat for Avon to acquiesce to the murder of Stringer?
 
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this was a good read. I was looking for the show, but it wasn't available on any of the streamers but saw the book for sale.

you definitely see a lot of the overall themes and sayongs from the wire.

don't remember if it was discussed when it came up, but the book was real life. the writers spent years in these characters lives, which was pretty dope
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All the episodes should be on YouTube

It's a tough but great watch

Enjoy
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Im genuinely curious what you think Mouzone was threatening Avon with. What else would have been a strong enough threat for Avon to acquiesce to the murder of Stringer?

What Avon hired him for and what Prop Joe was scared of, Muscle.

Don't you think if Brother had ANY connection to drugs, When Avon hired him he also would've said "bring a few keys with ya too".... :niggawhat:






Of course they sold coke.

They never said they sold coke other than Prop Joe.
 
What Avon hired him for and what Prop Joe was scared of, Muscle.

Don't you think if Brother had ANY connection to drugs, When Avon hired him he also would've said "bring a few keys with ya too".... :niggawhat:








They never said they sold coke other than Prop Joe.

Orlando got busted trying to buy coke. When he flipped he and Kima got jammed up trying to cop off Savino.

They sold coke. They were copping off of Joe's H package because Stringer went rogue and Avon was went along with it since he was inside. But once he was out he was able to establish connects back with New York. Thus, Brother's threat.

Avon had muscle, he had an army waiting for him with grenade launchers and all the rest.
 
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