OPINION Should people be paid more or are Americans just lazy?

Inori said:
People should not have to work multiple jobs to to make ends meet. If somebody is working 40+ hours a week there should be no reason their rent, groceries, electricity, water, internet shouldnt be covered along with them having the ability to save a bit as well.

I dont want to hear shit about paying people a liveable wage not being realistic because it would raise costs.. newsflash these muhfcukas are raising the cost of things anyway just to line their pockets. We arent even getting better products out of the shit.

Theyre finding more and more ways to make shit for less by using shittier(cheaper) ingredients, automating so they dont have to pay people, giving us less product(shrinkflation) etc.

People arent lazy. Corporations and companies are just greedy
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If we're really being honest the answer is both. Yes people should be paid more to match the foolishness at the moment that is the requirements to live in the US.

In the same breath Americans have gotten lazy because unchecked capitalism has made it to easy to bring cheaper workers from other countries so the Americans are good off that cheap labor while the prices climbed but the wages didn't.
 
I was having this conversation a few days ago and asked why are things so high in cost


In 1919 in may cost, let's say 200 dollars to make a car. That same car is made the same way but with different materials.


Who, what person, why is it that the materials cost more?

Wood is wood, metal is metal.

Why do we charge so much for food when it comes from the earth? Its free

Just like water. If people can they would charge for air.


Omit money and would there be a need to have high cost?

What happens when society takes away money or its no longer accepted.
 
For all of y'all mentioning record profits, I'm going to quote myself from that $18 McDonalds combo thread:

The stock markets, and the need to appease investors are largely to blame.

The way things are going, it's become apparent that the whole stock market thing is unsustainable and is the reason why we, the consumer, end up with inferior products, shrinking sizes, and higher prices. Publicly traded companies have to constantly find ways to increase profits to appeal to investors who give zero shits on how any of it affects the product or service offered by the company; they just want their dividend and to see those share prices increase and that's it. The problem is that in order to do this, the company has to cut corners on whatever it's offering. This means that things like portion sizes begin to shrink, like the above video shows. Quality is affected as companies find ways to make the product cheaper, which is why none of these fast food companies taste as good as they once did as they're now using inferior cuts of meats and finding new ways to extract and use meats that would have been considered scraps 20-30 years ago and using chemical additives to increase shelf or storage life to maximize what gets sold against what gets scrapped. Eventually there's a human cost in this: Corporate owned stores start cutting back on the number of employees at each location to maintain profit levels or even increasing profit. Now you have places like McDonalds down to zero full time cashiers for the frontline, opting to replace them with a kiosk for orders unless you're paying cash, then someone from the back will take your order at the lone register up front. This extends to companies moving their call centers from the US to barely English speaking countries because they can pay those employees $2 an hour to take calls. Car manufacturers had this whole push to make SUV's because they're cheaper to build because they don't have to include all of the mandated safety equipment for passenger cars in them.

Inferior products, inferior service, inferior everything, all to make Wall Street happy.

This can be applied across pretty much every industry: Investors are ultimately the driving force behind these record profits, inferior products, layoffs, low wages, and high ass executive pay. The corporations lobby (bribe) congress to keep minimum wage low so it doesn't disrupt their constant need to increase profit. If they can stabilize their spending by keeping labor cheap, they keep the investors happy and the stock prices stay "healthy". Wall Street greed means punishing a company for "only" making $1.1 billion in profit this year when it made $1.2 billion last year. Either way you look at it, the company still made a profit and penalizing the company 'cause it came in a lil light is completely unsustainable, as we're seeing now.
 
Haven't seen it mentioned yet that the government printing money causes inflation, which creates the need for higher wages, which creates a need to raise prices to absorb cost. Like a doom loop. Things like supply chain disruptions also amplify it. Covid really exacerbated the problem within the last 5 years.
 
The first page already said what needs to be said. I'm honestly done trying to have a civil conversation about the wage gap. The poor are too dumb to stop blaming other poor people. The same goes for intelligent working class people; they have become less intelligent when it comes to also blaming poor people.

We have reached the age of no accountability and misdirected blame. These days I just watch people. Watch them be wrong, watch them feed their insecurities. Watch them be full of shit. Keep a small circle, folks.
 
Loneshot said:
The first page already said what needs to be said. I'm honestly done trying to have a civil conversation about the wage gap. The poor are too dumb to stop blaming other poor people. The same goes for intelligent working class people; they have become less intelligent when it comes to also blaming poor people.

We have reached the age of no accountability and misdirected blame. These days I just watch people. Watch them be wrong, watch them feed their insecurities. Watch them be full of shit. Keep a small circle, folks.
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Yup.

You hear “arguments” like you can’t pay someone that for flipping burgers.

Which is hilarious because if a “burger flipper” is getting higher wages, that means you the “higher skilled worker” should be getting more too.

And that’s just one aspect to them self inflicted idiocracy.
 
It just doesn't match.

Companies get away with up charging everything, because people find extreme ways to pay for shit the wages just don't let them afford.

And it's not that I think the wages are too high..I think they just charge too much for shit.
 
Should definitely be paid more and billionaires should be taxed the same.

I dont have an argument why. I just feel the majority of the country would benefit from this and the billionaires would still be wealthier than everyone else.
 
Too many people dicksucking the rich for hoarding all the wealth instead of for what it is they actually bring to the table and society as humans. Then you got people that can identify some people hate the rich but never asking why. Shit crazy.
 
Yup.

You hear “arguments” like you can’t pay someone that for flipping burgers.

Which is hilarious because if a “burger flipper” is getting higher wages, that means you the “higher skilled worker” should be getting more too.

And that’s just one aspect to them self inflicted idiocracy.
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Bruh I used to see people use the military as an example like they shouldn’t be paid more. But they get benefits.
 
Over the years its really been like the same people, with the same automated responses defending these companies and shitting on min wage level workers. Even if you cite sources and show historical facts that they are wrong, they either wont respond or worse, default back to the same response they you've proven isnt true.

A perfect example is cashiers. Anytime you talk about jobs like that, you get these type replies: "Being a cashier is an unskilled job made for teens", "This job was never meant to support a family", "If If If they have to pay cashiers more they'll just replace them with self checkout machines". Then we easily prove this false & and even point out that even after they didnt raise the min wage, these companies started replacing them with self checkouts anyway and its always the same reply. "We-well if they had raised the pay they would of did it faster.".

No matter whats said or evidence posted, they wont read and not care because they these severely underpaid workers are bellow them. I dont remember if it was on here or the IC someone said some Fox News type shit to me that you gotta earn a living wage. Worst part was people agree'd with them lol.

There's enough to go around fuck you mean we cant afford to give a living wage to everyone.
 
This the shit you goofies are propping up because you dont think low wage workers are also human. It always circles back to bite the same people that think they're too high up the ladder to be affected.

fortune.com

CEO Andy Jassy says Amazon’s 14,000 layoffs weren’t about cutting costs or AI taking jobs: 'It's culture' | Fortune

Jassy said the cuts weren’t AI-driven, “not right now at least.”
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Amazon’s CEO has finally spoken up about the company’s 14,000 layoffs earlier this week, and he claims the motive was not at all financial.

Speaking during the company’s quarterly earnings call Thursday, CEO Andy Jassy said laying off those employees was about a mismatched cultural fit—and nothing else.

“The announcement that we made a few days ago was not really financially driven, and it’s not even really AI-driven, not right now at least,” he said about the job cuts. “It’s culture.”
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The job cuts this week, which mostly affected middle managers, follow a June memo in which Jassy said Amazon will need fewer employees thanks to the “efficiency gains” brought on by AI. In a separate memo announcing this week’s layoffs, Amazon’s senior vice president of people said the layoffs were about adapting to “transformative technology.”
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“If you grow as fast as we did for several years, the size of businesses, the number of people, the number of locations, the types of businesses you’re in, you end up with a lot more people than what you had before, and you end up with a lot more layers,” he said.

This type of growth can lead to consequences, Jassy added.

“Sometimes without realizing it, you can weaken the ownership of the people that you have who are doing the actual work and who own most of the two-way door decisions, the ones that should be made quickly and right at the front line,” he said.

A spokesperson for Amazon declined to comment.
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AP4.0 said:
Mike, why does Jeff bezos need x billions of dollars when he's so far removed from the day to day shit that got him the money in the first place

The workers are the ones guaranteeing shit gets delivered in two days, not him

Pay them people
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RandomOne said:
I need to start ignoring these threads because people on here get too sensitive with their hate of the rich
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AP4.0 said:
Don't take your ball and go home b

Ever ask yourself why everyone here "hates" the rich?
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@RandomOne

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