OPINION Is Marvel's Black Panther movie really a "special moment" for Black America??

Soul_Rattler said:
Are you assuming that because he didn't go on a diatribe about his plan for economic stability, in a 2 hour comic book movie mind you, that he didn't have one? An MIT grad and an obviously intelligent and learned individual just decided one day, "kill whitey and all will fall into place"?

No, I think that's drawing conclusions based on a lack of evidence but not ignoring evidence that may suggest otherwise. A couple examples, in the first Iron Man Obadiah Stane wanted to kill Tony Stark and use his arc technology to sell better weapons. We don't get a scene where he verbally States his business plan but the fact that he ran the company for years makes it feasible that he had one. Then you have Loki who seemed to only want to be a king for the purpose of sitting on a throne being praised by his subjects. But there's nothing in the slightest that suggests that he had a clue on how to rule a city, let alone an entire planet.

My point in saying it's a 2 hour comic book movie is to say as great as the messaging was here, the pacing would have taken a nosedive if they went that far into Killmonger's long-term plan. What we know is that he planned on using United States tactics to create a worldwide Wakandan empire using what he learned in MIT and the military. What could he have learned? Look no further than Obama and Bush's plans on restructuring Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc. It starts with militarized action, then economic and political implementation.
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@Soul_Rattler No I say that based on him doing shit like...burning the vibranium field trying to ensure there would be no other Black Panther's after him. That is just one example of him being more focused on revenge than actual liberation and a revolution. And you don't need a long diatribe to show a plan. It literally stopped and ended at "Let's get these weapons out to oppressed people and take over"...ok so you think people who've spent centuries being oppressed all of a sudden will gain freedom only to now have to answer to another dictator in Killmonger? That makes no sense. The first thing a person does when they gain freedom is NOT go right under another ruler. So his idea that people would just fall in line and follow his order, especially now having the weapons needed to prevent such a thing, wasn't well thought out.
 
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@Soul_Rattler No I say that based on him doing shit like...burning the vibranium field trying to ensure there would be no other Black Panther's after him. That is just one example of him being more focused on revenge than actual liberation and a revolution. And you don't need a long diatribe to show a plan. It literally stopped and ended at "Let's get these weapons out to oppressed people and take over"...ok so you think people who've spent centuries being oppressed all of a sudden will gain freedom only to now have to answer to another dictator in Killmonger? That makes no sense. The first thing a person does when they gain freedom is NOT go right under another ruler. So his idea that people would just fall in line and follow his order, especially now having the weapons needed to prevent such a thing, wasn't well thought out.
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Interesting that you thought of that position as a dictatorship.

There was a council in play with both T'Challa and Killmonger. The way I saw it, the king had the final say but he was far from a dictator. He set the direction and the people around him who knew logistics put it into play after sitting in the chamber discussing what works best.

I'm not saying he would'v been a great king. I'm just saying it makes more sense to assume there was more to his plan than kill whitey.
 
Soul_Rattler said:
Interesting that you thought of that position as a dictatorship.

There was a council in play with both T'Challa and Killmonger. The way I saw it, the king had the final say but he was far from a dictator. He set the direction and the people around him who knew logistics put it into play after sitting in the chamber discussing what works best.

I'm not saying he would'v been a great king. I'm just saying it makes more sense to assume there was more to his plan than kill whitey.
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You really think Killmonger was going t listen to a council? He came in a tried to kill T'Challa and get revenge for hid father's death. He wasnt about to be taking votes on what the next moves should be.
 
I still don't understand why people can't separate Killmonger's views having merit from Killmonger's actions being villainous. Killmonger was 100% right that Wakanda was wrong to shut itself away while it knew it had access to things that could help the hurting people around the world. Killmonger was 100% a villain too because despite his reasonable views, his goal was to sew chaos through the world, destablize it, and then assume the role of global dictator. That's like comic book villain goals 101.
 
Wakanda was the way it was because of the fears of what ailed the world around them they were justified.. and they only fought when necessary but they are the bad guy.. got it

Erik. and Wakanda were shaped in different for similar cause.
 
actually Killmonger stole his rightful shit from the museum
killed the CAC who stole from Wakaunda
challenged and put the beats on T Challa became rightful King
wanted to use Wakaunda s technical advantage to freee and liberate blacks globally....

when u think of it lmao
 
Elzo69Renaissance said:
actually Killmonger stole his rightful shit from the museum
killed the CAC who stole from Wakaunda
challenged and put the beats on T Challa became rightful King
wanted to use Wakaunda s technical advantage to freee and liberate blacks globally....

when u think of it lmao
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But he.. shooo


He said fuck tradition when he go the throne its was about him ultimately he had a quest for power.. and didnt want the responsibility.. or couldnt handle it..

SPIDERMAN
BARS
 
Playmaker88 said:
But he.. shooo


He said fuck tradition when he go the throne its was about him ultimately he had a quest for power.. and didnt want the responsibility.. or couldnt handle it..

SPIDERMAN
BARS
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as a King thats his prerogative .....like the bald head bodyguard told Nakia....i aint got to fuck with but i got to respect the throne and the king
 
Soul_Rattler said:
Interesting that you thought of that position as a dictatorship.

There was a council in play with both T'Challa and Killmonger. The way I saw it, the king had the final say but he was far from a dictator. He set the direction and the people around him who knew logistics put it into play after sitting in the chamber discussing what works best.

I'm not saying he would'v been a great king. I'm just saying it makes more sense to assume there was more to his plan than kill whitey.
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This nigga Killmonger didn't just have ""finally say"".....He had the ONLY say!

LOL
 
No it's not and I'm not trying to get into a deep discussion about plot details when there's a thread for that.

My point is, it's easy to dismiss someone as simplistic, overemotional, stupid, etc when you don't agree with their motivations or methods. But it's rarely that easy. Take this Trump administration for example. It's easy to say they're just a bunch of impulsive morons but realistically, it's an administration lacking central direction. Everyone has their own ideas but no common and consistent vision.

But if you choose to not infer when watching a movie and take everything on face value, that's your choice. Just know that I could similarly dismiss your criticism as "oh you're only saying that about Killmonger cause you love white women and you're a coon".

At that point, it's a mud slinging contest.
 
HellCzar said:
The thing is he cant live forever. So by ensuring no more kings he saying no future outside him. Also he usurped the throne how can you rule a place you dont know about.
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Well Wakanda’s tradition is to look out for Wakandans and they negelated him so hey...
 
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