OPINION Is Marvel's Black Panther movie really a "special moment" for Black America??

whats funny is, the question CTG asked Chadwick was one of the MAIN hills Du was dying on earlier in the thread, and he said the same thing many of us said to Du
 
Like_Water said:
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So it's ok for you to romanticize and feel good about hood movies, but niggas can't do the same about a movie centered around our cultural and ancestral home? Is that what I'm getting here?

You, sir, are being hypocritical and I want nothing further to do with this ridiculousness.

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Sure give up on your people.

You won't be the first
 
AP21 said:
you dont have the proper context about the comment, yet you keep posting your thoughts based on what DU said

have a listen for yourself, and see if you come to the same conclusion

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I'm at work...ill check it later.

But until then ill keep posting in ignorance.

Unless one of you fine folks wouldn't mind posting a synopsis.
 
Imma reserve judgement until I see the film.

But if the plot involves a nefarious group of African Americans coming to take over Wakanda, a flourishing African nation off the radar....

Then the irony won't be lost on me seeing as how recently there has been mainstream coverage of African Americans wanting to repatriate to Africa in the last few years.

We always talk about how film, whether fiction or otherwise, can be used to spin perception.

Oh boy....
 
King Du said:
Yo when Niggaz start shitting on my favorite movies, music, and undermined powerful movements with the blanket. " We tired of seeing these images". I take offense.

Those images are essential, moving, and often more honest than anything else in the world.

But we tired of seeing them and welcome fiction as it's replacement.

That's what I'm seeing. That's borderline denial. Which is why I'm taking the stance I am.
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I love hood films but hood films dont represent every Black person.


Take moonlight for instance. Niggas were mad af about a film that highlighted the life of gay Black boy growing up in the hood but it mirrored the lives of so many Black LGBTQIA which is vital and dope and important

The point Im making is about representation. REPRESENTATION is important. Black people deserve a wide range of narratives whether its hood movies or shows like Shes gotta have it spotlighting Black womens sexuality outside of societal norms or even Slave hero movies like Django

We deserve different shows/movies that dont lump us all together or bootstrap us to stereotypical ideas of Black American life.

This movie is important and its dope.

This is a time where we are reclaiming our images and narratives.

Im all for Black futurism and thats exactly what this movie embodies.


We dont have to “either or” it as @AP21 mentioned.

Why not both? and then some?
 
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King Du said:
Sure give up on your people.

You won't be the first
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I'm giving up on yo ass. You don't understand the word "nuance", as it relates to the subject, and it causes you to exaggerate and/or oversimplify everything.

And your stance on how hood movies are ok to romanticize, but a movie about African culture isn't, just makes it useless to engage you further. That's absurd to me.
 
I agree with those sentiments that @Race Jones just mentioned hood, "ghetto" is not THE authentic representation of African American. its a subset.The pillars of our experience is rooted in our perseverance,innovation, adaptability people have to stop embracing the lowest common denominator/ stereotypes.. Thats not it it doesnt make you black more black or extra black.


im done enjoy the movie or not

stay tuned to the next episode of real housewives of......
 
Race Jones said:
I love hood films but hood films dont represent every Black person.


Take moonlight for instance. Niggas were mad af about a film that highlighted the life of gay Black boy growing up in the hood but it mirrored the lives of so many Black LGBTQIA which is vital and dope and important

The point Im making is about representation. REPRESENTATION is important. Black people deserve a wide range of narratives whether its hood movies or shows like Shes gotta have it spotlighting Black womens sexuality outside of societal norms or even Slave hero movies like Django

We deserve different shows/movies that dont lump us all together or bootstrap us to stereotypical ideas of Black American life.

This movie is important and its dope.

This is a time where we are reclaiming our images and narratives.

Im all for Black futurism and thats exactly what this movies embodies.


We dont have to “either or” it as @AP21 mentioned.

Why not both? and then some?
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Race, to be 100% honest, yea i am being a bit animated and extra... but my core point holds tons of merit.

We as black people are very diverse....I don't know about yall, but i am a child of music....from like kindergarten i learned how to play the trumpet, and i used to study greats like louis armstrong and duke ellington, billie holiday...the birth of jazz...black film, black athletes.. all that.....

despite the pain, drugs, riots, the destruction of our community, i've always looked for and seeked out the good in our people...


I also like i've said multiple times got on of the most African names u gonna find on a black male...

my name is Diarra....that's not common for a male in america at all... in fact it's more of a family name from countries like Mali.....you goolge diarra, yo're gonna see a whole bunch of soccer players and politicians from africa with my name as their last name

the kid in blood diamond was named Dia which is a shortened version of my name....however again as i stated a few pages ago.... my name along with my appearance, i have been commonly mistaken for African..even amongst other africans....

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my perception of Africans is from 36 years of walking on this planet....they dont fuck with us.....i've learned a shit load abtu different afrrican cultures... i have about 7-8 nigerian friends...most from college...they deep up in philly.... but largely as a whole... africans don't fuck with us....and i've accepted that and moved on decades ago... i still think african culture is beautiful, and i see nothing wrong with learning about it, and even though i'm trolling a bit here....i really don't mind folk embracing it either...

if that's their thing, that's cool..

but what i don't like is the dismissal of contributing aspects of our personality being tossed aside for a fictional country..

i consider shit like new jack city, menace 2 society, boyz n the hood, south central, paid in full, belly...classics....i saw them shits in the theater, i was excited.... many folk were excited we enjoyed these movies, we bought them, we all have them i our homes...

how does this new movie suddenly make us tired of these images??

i hate that mindset....

i mean if you're excited about BP fine, be excited about it, but don't use this as soapbox to shit on black film as a while, like nothing black film ever did was as significant as this movie..

a comic book movie about a fake african country cannot be the most important movie for blatghtck america in the history of cinema....

and i never thought it was until niggaz just started hopping on the hype train and going way over board....

i mean at this point i'm just repeating myself, which is why i am trolling a bit too.....but yal gotta admit niggaz is doing too much...

but if yall gonna defend it...imma keep on being a dick about it....cuz yall being dicks to black american culture, and i'm not gonna pretend it's not what i see it as
 
Revolver Ocelot said:
How is wanting to or being excited about other representations that's not a drug dealer, pimp, thug, etc. Giving up on your people.

Not one single person is shitting on NJC, Boyz, or Menace not one, but yet somehow your conflating being excited about BP to shitting on those movies. I'm not understanding that.
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dawg everytime people use the excuse "i'm tired of seeing these images" it sounds like to me

"i'm tired of looking in the mirror, let me go to sleep and dream we never left africa"

that's what is sounds like to me...

i'm nt saying in any way i'm happy slavery happened...


but it happened....

and black folk in this country having being doing an amazing job of moving forward since it's been "abolished" we struggle, but no progress comes with struggle, and a lot of those struggles are reflected in our art, and i guess i just see it in a different light than most....i'm not tired of seeing it....it reminds me that we still have plenty of work to do.....

but what can i say to those folk who feel like they rather look the other way?
 
AP21 said:
do you, as a devoted husband to your wife, and father to your two young children still engage in the rowdy shit you used to when you were coming up?
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naw, but i don't tell them to look away when someone else is...

"see....that's what happens when u fuck up"
 
Like_Water said:
You're being dense as fuck now. Have you even traveled the world? I have. I can tell you what I've seen and heard.

How about this though... @DOS_patos, from what I've read, you might be one of the most well-traveled black American men on here. What is the perception of black Americans from the rest of the world?

And I wasn't referring to how I feel about my people, genius. I know what we are and what we're capable of. I don't know how you misconstrue that sentiment unless you were being facetious and/or ignorant. I was talking about how we're (black americans) viewed world-wide.
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honestly....most places i have been have looked at us like we are very stupid and only know bball, music and bitches with a side of Hennessy white.

knowing anything about politics, business, career goals, world affairs or culture will make you the exception and not the rule.

living abroad.....i can actually see what others see now.

thing is we are very strong....but we use our strength like we are weak.

that is why africans come to america...utilize this poor education we bitch and complain about to get good paying jobs and leap frog black americans to get to the american dream and send money back home.

i can really go many places on this topic.
 
King Du said:
dawg everytime people use the excuse "i'm tired of seeing these images" it sounds like to me

"i'm tired of looking in the mirror, let me go to sleep and dream we never left africa"

that's what is sounds like to me...

i'm nt saying in any way i'm happy slavery happened...


but it happened....

and black folk in this country having being doing an amazing job of moving forward since it's been "abolished" we struggle, but no progress comes with struggle, and a lot of those struggles are reflected in our art, and i guess i just see it in a different light than most....i'm not tired of seeing it....it reminds me that we still have plenty of work to do.....

but what can i say to those folk who feel like they rather look the other way?
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I'm not a drug dealer, pimp or thug so I don't see that when I look in the mirror and for the record I'm not fantasizing about Africa either. I just find it sad that you're so invested in those type of portrayals. Being excited for Black Panther is no different than those white people being excited about Spiderman, Batman or Iron Man.
 
DOS_patos said:
honestly....most places i have been have looked at us like we are very stupid and only know bball, music and bitches with a side of Hennessy white.

knowing anything about politics, business, career goals, world affairs or culture will make you the exception and not the rule.

living abroad.....i can actually see what others see now.

thing is we are very strong....but we use our strength like we are weak.

that is why africans come to america...utilize this poor education we bitch and complain about to get good paying jobs and leap frog black americans to get to the american dream and send money back home.

i can really go many places on this topic.
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please do.....
 
people think they can relate to menace and boyz and gangster movie...because thats what they see and think thats what they want.

their mind is controlled.

we as black people need to stop trying to look cool.
stop trying to be know for our swagger.
stop trying to be know for being the nigga people wont fuck with

that shit means nothing once you grow up.

we have allowed fuck niggas to take over the hoods and make it into a bad thing.

we are ok with misery and not progress, if you want to keep it real.

cool experiment for anyone to try,

try not going back to the hood any hood for 1 year. live in the burbs or something,

see how things are when you return....see how people view you.
 
Chi-Town B said:
I'm not a drug dealer, pimp or thug so I don't see that when I look in the mirror and for the record I'm not fantasizing about Africa either. I just find it sad that you're so invested in those type of portrayals. Being excited for Black Panther is no different than those white people being excited about Spiderman, Batman or Iron Man.
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now that you're back to the topic at hand....

nothing about what i said is sad....

i ridicule folk who cosplay, and zap out about spoilers on star wars movies, the same way bruh...

i'm not super duper comic book head, but i like what i like....and i still haven't seen spider man homecoming, justice league, ant man, and a few oter movies in their entirety....

i only saw dr strange and gotg2 cuz they were on netflix.....

as a whole i'm against over commercialization of anything....i hate hypes....it's shallow, and it just urks me how easily folk are manipulated...

i hate the lebron james hype,
i hated the ronda rousey hype,

like if something is overly and ridiculously hyped up....you can almost count on me hating it...
there are a few exceptions....

but this is almost a common rule for me....

and in regards to this movie, i was initially super hype about it....

but once the trend caught on i became more and more annoyed with the brand new fake ass fans, who were doing the most....

i've ALWAYS had my mixed feelings about africans and african culture due to my own personal experiences.....

and when i started seeing those same things in this movie hype, my irritation was pretty high...so while i didn't make this thread...or start the initial conversation.....i 100% agreed that niggaz is showing their whole ass hyping this movie..and i say yea, let's talk about it
 
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