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Kenyon Martin is a more talented basketball player that Draymond but Draymond is an all time defender and more impactful

Now would Draymond have been this successful outside of the Warriors system probably not but thats not how it works
 
5th Letter said:
One guy led his team in scoring on a finals team. The other got to benefit from playing with 2/3 all stars.

We can end the convo there.
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You saying all this like Kmart didn't benefit from playing with one of the best pg of all time in prime Jason Kidd and he didn't lead the team in scoring kidd did.
 
Freeman said:
You saying all this like Kmart didn't benefit from playing with one of the best pg of all time in prime Jason Kidd and he didn't lead the team in scoring kidd did.
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He led them in scoring. The difference is that Martin was relied upon for more than what GS asked of Draymond.
 
5th Letter said:
He led them in scoring. The difference is that Martin was relied upon for more than what GS asked of Draymond.
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Thats you're poor opinion. Draymond beyond being a dpoy and consistently being an all nba defensive player was also asked to help facilitate (something kenyon could never do) that same offense that those guys we're great in. Kenyon had 4 hot years averaging 15 points and 9 rebounds then it was over. Once the athleticism was gone there wasn't much he could provide.
Draymond is a 4x champ, dpoy, and 9x all nba defense. All while being undersized and with limited athleticism to fall back on.

There's levels.
 
Freeman said:
Thats you're poor opinion. Draymond beyond being a dpoy and consistently being an all nba defensive player was also asked to help facilitate (something kenyon could never do) that same offense that those guys we're great in. Kenyon had 4 hot years averaging 15 points and 9 rebounds then it was over. Once the athleticism was gone there wasn't much he could provide.
Draymond is a 4x champ, dpoy, and 9x all nba defense. All while being undersized and with limited athleticism to fall back on.

There's levels.
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I’ll give Draymond the edge in passing. Look who Kenyon had to compete with for all defensive teams and DPOY from that era. It’s not the same. K Mart lost athleticism because of injuries and despite that was still productive. We know he made all Star teams simply by proxy. Where would he be if he was drafted elsewhere?
 
5th Letter said:
I’ll give Draymond the edge in passing. Look who Kenyon had to compete with for all defensive teams and DPOY from that era. It’s not the same. K Mart lost athleticism because of injuries and despite that was still productive. We know he made all Star teams simply by proxy. Where would he be if he was drafted elsewhere?
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We're not dealing in hypotheticals we're dealing in facts. Fact is draymond is a better player and has had the better career.
 
AP4.0 said:
If they were up by the margin Atlanta was and he did it, I would agree it was unnecessary

Mans turned his back with time on the clock and got the ball stolen

Nothing to see here
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It's unsportsman like and something that is universally known you're not supposed to do, the game was over.

Loser shit.
 
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