OPINION Is Marvel's Black Panther movie really a "special moment" for Black America??

I must be in the twilight zone lol. Y’all comments are proving my point. A comic book movie should not be making black people embrace Africa, and if it does then it speaks volumes.


And ya'll only prove my point...which it's some petty lil hater shit. Nothing more.

It's down right selfish and very counter productive..... You admittedly see an opportunity to teach the young knowledge when their interested is peaked, but you can't get past the fact as to what it took to peak their interested & curiosity to learn.....huh??!

That's you all failing as elders and as parents.
 
We haven't progressed. We have actually regressed.

Did we somehow have more money back then? Or you just talking about parents being married? Thats usually the only thing I see different. Black folks aint rich as a whole ghettos are still ghettos. Im trying to see outside of marriage where black people have regressed.
 
This guy gets it. All this past weekend showed is that we'll sit and wait for others to tell our stories or create heroes for us, instead of getting our economic base together to create and support our own. We as a community need to be competing instead of waiting for "master" to sweep the crumbs to us. The Asians, and the Latinos seem to get this.

Oh you're one of those if we just get our money right we will be alright type of folks. I sure racism has no impact on economy whatsoever
 
And ya'll only prove my point...which it's some petty lil hater shit. Nothing more.

It's down right selfish and very counter productive..... You admittedly see an opportunity to teach the young knowledge when their interested is peaked, but you can't get past the fact as to what it took to peak their interested & curiosity to learn.....huh??!

That's you all failing as elders and as parents.

It’s petty to point out that doing all this extra stuff is doing too much? It’s petty to question anyone who uses a fictional country in Africa as a means to learn about African culture? Like I said this is the twilight zone.
 
This guy gets it. All this past weekend showed is that we'll sit and wait for others to tell our stories or create heroes for us, instead of getting our economic base together to create and support our own. We as a community need to be competing instead of waiting for "master" to sweep the crumbs to us. The Asians, and the Latinos seem to get this.
I got into a debate with I think AP21 about this pages ago so it’s funny to see this brought up again. Hopefully in a Black Panther sequel they teach these black folks about building an economic base because apparently black folks don’t care about tangible things unless Black Panther tells them.
 
You guys keep bringing up that Disney & Marvel got paid.

Disney spends a $100 plus million on a WORLD WIDE,GLOBAL media,marketing,and advertising campaign
Marvel spent $200 million to make the film

And you dudes are arguing that these companies SHOULD NOT see a return on that money???

That's just fuckin' ridiculous!
 
You guys keep bringing up that Disney & Marvel got paid.

Disney spends a $100 plus million on a WORLD WIDE,GLOBAL media,marketing,and advertising campaign
Marvel spent $200 million to make the film

And you dudes are arguing that these companies SHOULD NOT see a return on that money???

That's just fuckin' ridiculous!
I think they pointing out the interest of the studio vs the interest of the people

Studio wants money
The people want representation.

The studio will never compromise

We will

In fact we compromised so hard that we had a full on celebration with parade when the interest aligned for the first time

Most of the people don't even care for comics.... But bcuz it's representation, we compromised our interests to consider this a win..

And many folk find issue with that... Bcuz it makes us seem like we can be bought... It exposes certain things that some folk just can't seem to ignore.

There are mad black folk who have been banging their heads against the walls for years to get the kind of interest from black folk this movie just got... So yea quite a few folk are salty
 
I'm being a dick head cuz I want Niggaz to be able to look in the mirror with the same admiration they looking at the movie with.

I don't like honest, genuine images being considered negative. To me it sounds like folk don't love themselves as much a they love these movie characters. And I find issue with that.

Again I admit I have not been doing the best maintaining the seriousness of my argument. But in my defense... A chick got carried in the theater by two Niggaz on their shoulders.
. And all of them stayed in character without bussing out laughing
 
You guys keep bringing up that Disney & Marvel got paid.

Disney spends a $100 plus million on a WORLD WIDE,GLOBAL media,marketing,and advertising campaign
Marvel spent $200 million to make the film

And you dudes are arguing that these companies SHOULD NOT see a return on that money???

That's just fuckin' ridiculous!
Extreme straw man argument
 
You guys brought up the fact that the studios are getting paid......after spending $300 plus million to bring this film to life

And accuse me of straw man argument?:tuh:
More straw man argument. This isn’t going to work with me. You argue like one of them white supremacists on Fox News.
 
Did we somehow have more money back then? Or you just talking about parents being married? Thats usually the only thing I see different. Black folks aint rich as a whole ghettos are still ghettos. Im trying to see outside of marriage where black people have regressed.

I like your question.

To understand where we are as a group now, we have to go back. Obviously Black Wall Street was when were thriving. The money accumulated from there bounced back and forth numerous times so much it didn't leave the community for four years! (Group Economics baby!) Once the area in Tulsa was bombed was the start. Don't get me wrong, even after that we were still competing. We had our own automobile line, (Patterson Cars), manufacturing plants, hotels, bus companies etc. The problem really got worse because due to white people having an huge economic advantage (due mainly in part to slavery.) they could ramp up their businesses, move across the streets from the black owned businesses, buy them out, or even force them out. Due to laws working in favor of the Caucasian many black owned business could be burned down over and over without even so much as an arrest. This happened repeatedly during the 30's. Also businesses could even get started because certain cities/towns/states had laws in place where an African-American entrepreneur couldn't even get a business license. But the killing blow was in the aftermath of the civil rights movement which by the way failed us. That was the pivotal movement where they could have asked for the ability to compete, land acquisition/ownership, laws that should work in our interests, programs that provide money to the African-American community which is interesting because this when the government decided to create "minority" programs. This was slick on their part because what this did was allow them to bring in other groups into the country and give them the benefits that we as a group are owed, therefore diluting them to the point of nearly nothing. (Perfect example: The Cubans coming into Florida in the 60's. A lot blacks suffered because of this. Also in Florida during the 70's and 80's neighborhoods were torn down in favor of freeways. Had the communities had the economic base on point, and used the proceeds from their businesses to buy/lease a politician, they would have had the power to stop it.) This is why when other groups come into the country, the build first, then take the money and get into the political game. That's where power begins to shape. In short instead of competing, the civil rights movement chose integration. They figured that if we're allowed to eat, shop, with white people we made it! Oh happy daaaayy! (Sarcasm.) So now blacks have the mentality "If it ain't white, it ain't right and if it's black, put it back". I remember a story Dr. Claude Anderson told. He had talked about a product that was created, and attempted to get the Asian community to buy. The Asian kept saying no. Dr. Claude said: "You stated that my product is superior to what you currently buy, and at a lower cost. so why would you not be interested"? The Asian responded: "You don't get it. We support our OWN.". Of course the crack era certainly didn't help matters either. Despite the dealers making money, most didn't have the sense to invest the money properly. (I have a homie from Harlem that was in the game in the 90's, and to this day he kicks himself in the ass because the dilapidated buildings in Harlem were selling for pennies on the dollar and he wishes he and his homies had got in on the action despite being told by his OG to do so.) Now we come to the present, because of all this we do not have majority ownership in the neighborhoods we live in, therefore we can be pushed out. Gentrification at work. Hell, they are already talking about calling Harlem "SoHa". SMH Once the land has been colonized, they mold it in their image.

I could even further, but I hope you get the point. So now that I've answered this question, please answer mine. Why do you feel we as a group have improved?
 
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Oh you're one of those if we just get our money right we will be alright type of folks. I sure racism has no impact on economy whatsoever

Stop it fam. Money IS NOT going to make racism go away. But when used properly, we can get people who have our best interests at heart into positions, to combat it, therefore not always being a victim.

Remember, most hate us because the color of our skin, but they constantly attack us because we're poor. (As a group.)

 
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I blame peoples mothers , fathers.. but most importantly themselves by not being intellectually, historically curious.. people need to consider the people they roll with. people are always caught up, enamored .. in the party and bullshit aspect... and it seems to lead many.. more cake

less icing.
 
this shit is one huge ass circle

people are just talking past each other at this point

there seems to be only a couple legit people interested in sparking some sorta dialogue, a couple people just being dare to be different just because, and a couple of people with their heads so far in the sand, it would take a lifetime to remove
 
I like your question.

To understand where we are as a group now, we have to go back. Obviously Black Wall Street was when were thriving. The money accumulated from there bounced back and forth numerous times so much it didn't leave the community for four years! (Group Economics baby!) Once the area in Tulsa was bombed was the start. Don't get me wrong, even after that we were still competing. We had our own automobile line, (Patterson Cars), manufacturing plants, hotels, bus companies etc. The problem really got worse because due to white people having an huge economic advantage (due mainly in part to slavery.) they could ramp up their businesses, move across the streets from the black owned businesses, buy them out, or even force them out. Due to laws working in favor of the Caucasian many black owned business could be burned down over and over without even so much as an arrest. This happened repeatedly during the 30's. Also businesses could even get started because certain cities/towns/states had laws in place where an African-American entrepreneur couldn't even get a business license. But the killing blow was in the aftermath of the civil rights movement which by the way failed us. That was the pivotal movement where they could have asked for the ability to compete, land acquisition/ownership, laws that should work in our interests, programs that provide money to the African-American community which is interesting because this when the government decided to create "minority" programs. This was slick on their part because what this did was allow them to bring in other groups into the country and give them the benefits that we as a group are owed, therefore diluting them to the point of nearly nothing. (Perfect example: The Cubans coming into Florida in the 60's. A lot blacks suffered because of this. Also in Florida during the 70's and 80's neighborhoods were torn down in favor of freeways. Had the communities had the economic base on point, and used the proceeds from their businesses to buy/lease a politician, they would have had the power to stop it.) This is why when other groups come into the country, the build first, then take the money and get into the political game. That's where power begins to shape. In short instead of competing, the civil rights movement chose integration. They figured that if we're allowed to eat, shop, with white people we made it! Oh happy daaaayy! (Sarcasm.) So now blacks have the mentality "If it ain't white, it ain't right and if it's black, put it back". I remember a story Dr. Claude Anderson told. He had talked about a product that was createds, and attempted to get the Asian community to buy. The Asian kept saying no. Dr. Claude said: "You stated that my product is superior to what you currently buy, and at a lower cost. so why would you not be interested"? The Asian responded: "You don't get it. We support our OWN.". Of course the crack era certainly didn't help matters either. Despite the dealers making money, most didn't have the sense to invest the money properly. (I have a homie from Harlem that was in the game in the 90's, and to this day he kicks himself in the ass because the dilapidated buildings in Harlem were selling for pennies on the dollar and he wishes he and his homies had got in on the action despite being told by his OG to do so.) Now we come to the present, because of all this we do not have majority ownership in the neighborhoods we live in, therefore we can be pushed out. Gentrification at work. Hell, they are already talking about calling Harlem "SoHa". SMH Once the land has been colonized, they mold it in their image.

I could even further, but I hope you get the point. So now that I've answered this question, please answer mine. Why do you feel we as a group have improved?
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You guys keep bringing up that Disney & Marvel got paid.

Disney spends a $100 plus million on a WORLD WIDE,GLOBAL media,marketing,and advertising campaign
Marvel spent $200 million to make the film

And you dudes are arguing that these companies SHOULD NOT see a return on that money???

That's just fuckin' ridiculous!

Business is business. OF COURSE they should see a return. You don't go into business to lose money or break even.

What I think was dumb as hell was the petition that was going around that Disney should donate 25% to African-American communities with no clear plan on how the money would be allocated. The niggas that thought that bullshit up was thinking they were going to "Suge Knight" Disney. FOH LOL
 
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